1 00:00:00,000 --> 00:00:03,000 What if there were a peaceful solution? What if there are a way to protest the march? 2 00:00:03,000 --> 00:00:05,000 There is no peaceful solution. 3 00:00:05,000 --> 00:00:07,000 And to stop these brutality peacefully. 4 00:00:07,000 --> 00:00:09,000 If there were, though, would you advocate that? 5 00:00:09,000 --> 00:00:11,000 We're not going to stand here and speak. 6 00:00:11,000 --> 00:00:17,000 Hocus Pocus, some shazam, some abracadabra magic. 7 00:00:17,000 --> 00:00:19,000 There is no peaceful way. 8 00:00:19,000 --> 00:00:26,000 The white man, I say to you over and over again, is absolutely disagreeable to get along within peace. 9 00:00:30,000 --> 00:00:35,000 Hocus Pocus, some shazam, some abracadabra magic. 10 00:00:35,000 --> 00:00:37,000 There is no peaceful solution. 11 00:00:37,000 --> 00:00:40,000 Hocus Pocus, some shazam, some abracadabra magic. 12 00:00:40,000 --> 00:00:42,000 There is no peaceful solution. 13 00:00:42,000 --> 00:00:45,000 Hocus Pocus, some shazam, some abracadabra magic. 14 00:00:45,000 --> 00:00:47,000 There is no peaceful solution. 15 00:00:47,000 --> 00:00:49,000 Hocus Pocus, some shazam, some abracadabra magic. 16 00:00:49,000 --> 00:00:51,000 There is no peaceful solution. 17 00:00:51,000 --> 00:00:53,000 Hocus Pocus, some shazam, some abracadabra magic. 18 00:00:53,000 --> 00:00:55,000 There is no peaceful solution. 19 00:00:55,000 --> 00:00:57,000 Hocus Pocus, some shazam, some abracadabra magic. 20 00:00:57,000 --> 00:00:59,000 There is no peaceful solution. 21 00:00:59,000 --> 00:01:06,000 Hocus Pocus, some shazam, some abracadabra magic. 22 00:01:06,000 --> 00:01:13,000 Manhattan, I was on my way to Harlem, my mission to spend time with New York's black power groups, 23 00:01:13,000 --> 00:01:17,000 from the moderate to the extreme. 24 00:01:17,000 --> 00:01:25,000 I wanted to find out to what extent it set me, a white man, into their lives. 25 00:01:25,000 --> 00:01:30,000 And I'd arrived at a sensitive time. 26 00:01:30,000 --> 00:01:36,000 There is anger tonight after four New York City police officers shot and killed an unarmed African immigrant earlier this week. 27 00:01:36,000 --> 00:01:42,000 22-year-old Diallo was unarmed when police killed him. They fired 41 shots. 28 00:01:42,000 --> 00:01:45,000 Three of the four cops have been involved in shootings before. 29 00:01:45,000 --> 00:01:50,000 The four officers involved have not testified before the grand jury investigating the shooting. 30 00:01:50,000 --> 00:01:56,000 Galvanizing the community reaction to the shooting of Amadou Diallo was Reverend Al Sharpton, 31 00:01:56,000 --> 00:02:01,000 New York's most prominent black activist, the man I'd come to see. 32 00:02:21,000 --> 00:02:27,000 All right, hug the person next to you. Tell him you love them. 33 00:02:27,000 --> 00:02:29,000 Call them. 34 00:02:32,000 --> 00:02:34,000 Don't I get a hug? 35 00:02:34,000 --> 00:02:36,000 No problem. 36 00:02:36,000 --> 00:02:38,000 No problem, bruh. 37 00:02:38,000 --> 00:02:44,000 The Rev was rallying support for a march on Wall Street to protest the shooting of Amadou Diallo. 38 00:02:44,000 --> 00:02:51,000 All right, now there's going to be no justice, no justice, no justice. 39 00:02:51,000 --> 00:02:58,000 All right, everybody say, hey, everybody now. 40 00:02:58,000 --> 00:03:05,000 Hey, everybody say, hey, everybody now. 41 00:03:05,000 --> 00:03:11,000 Hey, everybody say, hey, everybody now. 42 00:03:11,000 --> 00:03:19,000 Hey, everybody say, hey, everybody now. 43 00:03:19,000 --> 00:03:22,000 The Rev was a busy man, so I met one of his aides. 44 00:03:22,000 --> 00:03:24,000 How are you doing? How are you doing? 45 00:03:24,000 --> 00:03:25,000 I'm good, boy. 46 00:03:25,000 --> 00:03:26,000 I'm good, boy. 47 00:03:26,000 --> 00:03:27,000 How are you doing? 48 00:03:27,000 --> 00:03:29,000 I'm fine. I can't complain about everything with you. 49 00:03:29,000 --> 00:03:33,000 It's not too bad. It was a very emotional meeting. People seemed very upset. 50 00:03:33,000 --> 00:03:35,000 They are. We're catching up. 51 00:03:35,000 --> 00:03:39,000 People are being shot there. They don't bother to ask, are you the right guy or the wrong guy? 52 00:03:39,000 --> 00:03:43,000 They just look up to your person of color, and other people don't have to be. 53 00:03:43,000 --> 00:03:50,000 When we wake up in the morning, we have to come out combat ready, because we know the man is going to push us in a corner, 54 00:03:50,000 --> 00:03:54,000 snatch us down, search us, and sometimes he put things on us. 55 00:03:54,000 --> 00:03:57,000 So we have something to be conscious and concerned about. 56 00:03:57,000 --> 00:03:58,000 Yeah. 57 00:03:58,000 --> 00:04:01,000 And the reason you're kidding is... 58 00:04:06,000 --> 00:04:08,000 What did she say? 59 00:04:08,000 --> 00:04:10,000 The way he made it, the devil actually said it. 60 00:04:10,000 --> 00:04:12,000 That makes me slightly uncomfortable. 61 00:04:14,000 --> 00:04:15,000 That's all right. I understand. 62 00:04:15,000 --> 00:04:23,000 Most of the people here are very understanding, because we don't preach that hate thing, because we don't know who we are. 63 00:04:23,000 --> 00:04:25,000 What do you mean a devil? 64 00:04:25,000 --> 00:04:27,000 That's an expression that the Muslims... 65 00:04:27,000 --> 00:04:28,000 Muslims? 66 00:04:28,000 --> 00:04:30,000 Muslims. We need to talk about that position. 67 00:04:30,000 --> 00:04:33,000 You mean like regular Muslims or...? 68 00:04:33,000 --> 00:04:40,000 No, no, no, no. I'm talking about certain activists that used to make that term, they used to say that quite often, that the white man is the devil. 69 00:04:40,000 --> 00:04:47,000 They've been saying that for years. You don't hear as much as you used to, but you used to hear that quite a bit. 70 00:04:47,000 --> 00:04:50,000 Really? You don't hear as much as you used to hear it? 71 00:04:50,000 --> 00:04:51,000 No. 72 00:04:51,000 --> 00:04:55,000 That's interesting too. I'd like to find out more about that. 73 00:04:55,000 --> 00:04:59,000 Does River and El shops and think that the white man is the devil? 74 00:04:59,000 --> 00:05:01,000 No. If he did that, he wouldn't be dealing with the white man. 75 00:05:01,000 --> 00:05:09,000 No, exactly. You know what I'm hoping to do is maybe get some time with him and get him to explain the issues and maybe show me around New York a little bit. 76 00:05:09,000 --> 00:05:13,000 If you can get five minutes, you'd be lucky to be debated very busy. 77 00:05:13,000 --> 00:05:17,000 When you talk to him, you've got to be talking and walking, because he started moving all the time. 78 00:05:17,000 --> 00:05:18,000 Yeah. 79 00:05:20,000 --> 00:05:21,000 River and El shops and El shops. 80 00:05:21,000 --> 00:05:24,000 I'm Lewis from the BBC. Do we have a... 81 00:05:24,000 --> 00:05:31,000 Do we hook up and maybe go on a tour of New York and find out about some of your work? 82 00:05:31,000 --> 00:05:34,000 River and El shops and El shops. 83 00:05:34,000 --> 00:05:38,000 Yeah, no, no. I'm not expecting to do it now. I just want to do a... 84 00:05:38,000 --> 00:05:41,000 Just say hello and hook up later in the week. 85 00:05:41,000 --> 00:05:44,000 Yeah, so I'll call you and we'll fix up the time. 86 00:05:46,000 --> 00:05:52,000 Given the frosty reception, I knew it would take something special to coax the Rev out of his office. 87 00:05:52,000 --> 00:05:55,000 So I hired a tour bus. 88 00:06:12,000 --> 00:06:13,000 Hello there. 89 00:06:15,000 --> 00:06:17,000 Thank you very much for meeting with us. 90 00:06:17,000 --> 00:06:18,000 How are you doing? 91 00:06:18,000 --> 00:06:21,000 I'm Reverend El shops. I'm Lewis Thoreau from BBC 2. 92 00:06:21,000 --> 00:06:26,000 And what we're hoping to do if you've got the time is do a quick tour of Harlem. 93 00:06:26,000 --> 00:06:28,000 Does that sound all right? 94 00:06:28,000 --> 00:06:29,000 Fine. 95 00:06:29,000 --> 00:06:30,000 Fine. 96 00:06:30,000 --> 00:06:32,000 Okay, superb. Excellent. 97 00:06:32,000 --> 00:06:37,000 New York is basically a city where blacks are in one area. 98 00:06:37,000 --> 00:06:41,000 Some areas is blacks and Latinos. 99 00:06:41,000 --> 00:06:43,000 There are whites in a total different community. 100 00:06:43,000 --> 00:06:47,000 The hot idea of integration in America is a myth. 101 00:06:47,000 --> 00:06:48,000 Yeah. 102 00:06:48,000 --> 00:06:51,000 It doesn't exist, particularly in New York. 103 00:06:51,000 --> 00:06:53,000 There's no banks in Harlem. 104 00:06:53,000 --> 00:07:01,000 And when you look at the lack of development and the housing conditions and the fill, it's amazing. 105 00:07:01,000 --> 00:07:03,000 And we have to live in these conditions. 106 00:07:05,000 --> 00:07:11,000 Given that I'm only going to be here a few days, do you think I might come to that march on Wall Street? 107 00:07:11,000 --> 00:07:12,000 Oh, absolutely. 108 00:07:12,000 --> 00:07:13,000 Yeah. 109 00:07:13,000 --> 00:07:14,000 Absolutely. 110 00:07:15,000 --> 00:07:20,000 If you get very involved and we do civil disobedience, you may be a little longer. 111 00:07:20,000 --> 00:07:22,000 You might be in jail with us. 112 00:07:23,000 --> 00:07:24,000 You're joking. 113 00:07:25,000 --> 00:07:26,000 I never joke. 114 00:07:26,000 --> 00:07:28,000 I smile, but I never joke. 115 00:07:30,000 --> 00:07:31,000 Come on, let's go down. 116 00:07:31,000 --> 00:07:32,000 Let's go down. 117 00:07:32,000 --> 00:07:33,000 I want to show you something. 118 00:07:33,000 --> 00:07:34,000 Tell them to stop. 119 00:07:34,000 --> 00:07:35,000 What is wrong with you, Tim? 120 00:07:35,000 --> 00:07:36,000 Can we get in? 121 00:07:39,000 --> 00:07:40,000 Yeah, Reverend. 122 00:07:40,000 --> 00:07:42,000 Where are we going exactly right now? 123 00:07:43,000 --> 00:07:45,000 This shows the power. 124 00:07:45,000 --> 00:07:48,000 A young man comes out to movement, building his own business. 125 00:07:48,000 --> 00:07:52,000 If he was a young white businessman, they would have given business loans. 126 00:07:52,000 --> 00:07:54,000 This is going to be the biggest, best spot. 127 00:07:54,000 --> 00:07:58,000 Everybody in England has to come eat with Reverend Sharpton at Mama Ruth's. 128 00:08:00,000 --> 00:08:03,000 If they didn't get a loan, though, how come it's still going ahead? 129 00:08:03,000 --> 00:08:06,000 Because he had empowerment ideas. 130 00:08:06,000 --> 00:08:09,000 He went to businessmen in his own community and they believed in him. 131 00:08:09,000 --> 00:08:12,000 This is the largest walking refrigeration freezer in Harlem. 132 00:08:12,000 --> 00:08:13,000 He's chilling? 133 00:08:13,000 --> 00:08:14,000 Wait a minute. 134 00:08:18,000 --> 00:08:21,000 Cortez, he's the head of all the gangs in Harlem. 135 00:08:23,000 --> 00:08:24,000 Yeah, comedy, I get it. 136 00:08:25,000 --> 00:08:27,000 Someone called me a devil a little while ago. 137 00:08:28,000 --> 00:08:30,000 I think because I'm white and I wasn't sure how to take that. 138 00:08:30,000 --> 00:08:35,000 You worry about if somebody calls you a devil, if you had to live in this condition, 139 00:08:35,000 --> 00:08:39,000 you certainly would think this was hell and all hells have devils. 140 00:08:39,000 --> 00:08:43,000 Just because of the color of your skin, you can do things I can't do. 141 00:08:43,000 --> 00:08:49,000 I'm well-known, I'm influential, but you can do things I can't do in a city I was born in. 142 00:08:49,000 --> 00:08:55,000 Like, you can go to better schools, you can rent or buy in a better neighborhood. 143 00:08:55,000 --> 00:08:58,000 Just because of the color of your skin. 144 00:08:58,000 --> 00:09:00,000 Yeah, there's not much you can say to that, really. 145 00:09:00,000 --> 00:09:02,000 You can definitely say something to that. 146 00:09:02,000 --> 00:09:04,000 You can say no justice, no peace. 147 00:09:04,000 --> 00:09:06,000 That's what you say to that. 148 00:09:06,000 --> 00:09:08,000 But look at the conditions now. 149 00:09:08,000 --> 00:09:11,000 We've just gone two blocks out of Harlem. 150 00:09:11,000 --> 00:09:13,000 Look how clean the streets are. 151 00:09:13,000 --> 00:09:15,000 I mean, it's amazing. 152 00:09:15,000 --> 00:09:19,000 In two blocks, the city discovers how to take care of a community. 153 00:09:19,000 --> 00:09:23,000 Well, one of the large groups saw that on the black political spectrum. 154 00:09:23,000 --> 00:09:25,000 Nation of Islam's a good group to talk to. 155 00:09:25,000 --> 00:09:28,000 They're also a religious group, but they are definitely an empowerment group. 156 00:09:28,000 --> 00:09:31,000 And they are a large force in the community. 157 00:09:31,000 --> 00:09:35,000 If the devil thing comes up, ignore it. 158 00:09:35,000 --> 00:09:44,000 I would suppose, I mean, if you know you're not a devil or you don't feel you're a devil, then don't worry about it. 159 00:09:44,000 --> 00:09:50,000 If you keep getting bothered by it, maybe there's a little devil in you that you're not too sure about. 160 00:09:53,000 --> 00:09:55,000 You going to a meeting in here? 161 00:09:55,000 --> 00:09:58,000 Okay, so I guess we part ways here then. 162 00:09:58,000 --> 00:10:00,000 Thank you. 163 00:10:00,000 --> 00:10:01,000 So you're the rally? 164 00:10:01,000 --> 00:10:04,000 Yeah, we're in the toothbrush just in case. 165 00:10:06,000 --> 00:10:13,000 Encouraged by Reverend Sharpton, I'd arranged to meet the Nation of Islam, the originators of the belief that the white man is the devil. 166 00:10:13,000 --> 00:10:17,000 I'd been reading up on the teachings of its founder, Elijah Muhammad. 167 00:10:17,000 --> 00:10:24,000 The Nation had a reputation for guarded secrecy, but its New York minister, Benjamin Muhammad, had promised me a rare insight. 168 00:10:24,000 --> 00:10:26,000 Or so I thought. 169 00:10:26,000 --> 00:10:28,000 Oh, here we go. 170 00:10:28,000 --> 00:10:30,000 Here we go. How do you do sir? 171 00:10:30,000 --> 00:10:31,000 How are you? 172 00:10:31,000 --> 00:10:33,000 You're Benjamin Muhammad. I'm Louis Thru from BBC Two. 173 00:10:33,000 --> 00:10:34,000 Yes sir. 174 00:10:34,000 --> 00:10:35,000 How are you doing? 175 00:10:35,000 --> 00:10:36,000 May we come in? 176 00:10:36,000 --> 00:10:40,000 We would not be able to film inside of the mosque. 177 00:10:40,000 --> 00:10:44,000 You know, the mosque is a sacred place. 178 00:10:44,000 --> 00:10:48,000 Already I had a hunch it wasn't going to be the insight I'd planned on. 179 00:10:48,000 --> 00:10:53,000 And somehow our relationship never developed beyond the formalities. 180 00:10:53,000 --> 00:10:56,000 In fact, it became even more awkward. 181 00:10:59,000 --> 00:11:06,000 I've been reading a message to the black man. 182 00:11:06,000 --> 00:11:07,000 Yes. 183 00:11:07,000 --> 00:11:11,000 That was your most honorable life moment. 184 00:11:15,000 --> 00:11:18,000 Is there any way we could do one more turn around the block? 185 00:11:18,000 --> 00:11:20,000 I have a conference call. 186 00:11:20,000 --> 00:11:21,000 Oh you do? 187 00:11:21,000 --> 00:11:22,000 That I must attend to. 188 00:11:22,000 --> 00:11:23,000 Thank you. 189 00:11:23,000 --> 00:11:24,000 Hey, thank you. 190 00:11:24,000 --> 00:11:25,000 Alright. 191 00:11:26,000 --> 00:11:30,000 I'd spent time with one of the nation of Islam's most senior figures 192 00:11:30,000 --> 00:11:33,000 and I still felt no clearer about the doctrine. 193 00:11:33,000 --> 00:11:38,000 So I tracked down one of its former spokesmen, Dr Khaled Muhammad. 194 00:11:38,000 --> 00:11:42,000 He'd been stripped of his rank throughout spoken racist comments. 195 00:11:45,000 --> 00:11:49,000 After leaving the nation he gained notoriety for his militant anti-white message. 196 00:11:49,000 --> 00:11:52,000 In 1998 he organised the Million Youth March 197 00:11:52,000 --> 00:11:56,000 and was accused of inciting violence against the police. 198 00:12:08,000 --> 00:12:10,000 Dr Khaled now leads the new Black Panthers, 199 00:12:10,000 --> 00:12:15,000 an underground black vigilante group advocating armed self-defense. 200 00:12:15,000 --> 00:12:17,000 The rifles are with the troops. 201 00:12:17,000 --> 00:12:20,000 He refused us access to the inner workings of his organisation, 202 00:12:20,000 --> 00:12:23,000 but he agreed to meet me at a Harlem restaurant. 203 00:12:23,000 --> 00:12:25,000 I was rather nervous. 204 00:12:31,000 --> 00:12:32,000 Thank you very much. 205 00:12:32,000 --> 00:12:33,000 Thank you very much. 206 00:12:33,000 --> 00:12:34,000 Give me your name once more. 207 00:12:34,000 --> 00:12:35,000 It's Louis. 208 00:12:35,000 --> 00:12:36,000 Louis. 209 00:12:38,000 --> 00:12:40,000 He's been very friendly. 210 00:12:40,000 --> 00:12:42,000 I don't understand. 211 00:12:42,000 --> 00:12:43,000 I don't know. 212 00:12:43,000 --> 00:12:44,000 You'll meet your image. 213 00:12:44,000 --> 00:12:45,000 It's led me to suggest, 214 00:12:45,000 --> 00:12:47,000 it's led me to think you might be more aggressive. 215 00:12:48,000 --> 00:12:50,000 No, you always see me in a battle mode, 216 00:12:50,000 --> 00:12:57,000 that the white race is absolutely disagreeable to get along with in peace. 217 00:12:57,000 --> 00:13:00,000 No other people on the face of the planet Earth 218 00:13:00,000 --> 00:13:02,000 have been able to get along with white people 219 00:13:02,000 --> 00:13:05,000 since white people have been on our planet. 220 00:13:05,000 --> 00:13:07,000 Not to be too blunt about it. 221 00:13:07,000 --> 00:13:09,000 Do you regard those as a devil? 222 00:13:11,000 --> 00:13:13,000 What a cheap little question. 223 00:13:13,000 --> 00:13:14,000 Is it a cheap question? 224 00:13:14,000 --> 00:13:16,000 Not only a cheap question, 225 00:13:16,000 --> 00:13:21,000 it's really evidence of what I have just said. 226 00:13:21,000 --> 00:13:25,000 You are my star witness here at the table. 227 00:13:25,000 --> 00:13:28,000 You couldn't resist asking a devilish question. 228 00:13:28,000 --> 00:13:30,000 Why is that a devilish question? 229 00:13:30,000 --> 00:13:33,000 If indeed there is a mystery devil somewhere, 230 00:13:33,000 --> 00:13:39,000 I don't think he has a chance against the white man on top of the ground. 231 00:13:39,000 --> 00:13:40,000 Ready? 232 00:13:40,000 --> 00:13:43,000 Do you think because... 233 00:13:43,000 --> 00:13:46,000 it seems like it distracts you? 234 00:13:46,000 --> 00:13:49,000 Just taking in all of my surroundings. 235 00:13:49,000 --> 00:13:51,000 Let's break for a minute. 236 00:13:51,000 --> 00:13:57,000 I'd counted on having lunch with Dr. Callet, 237 00:13:57,000 --> 00:14:00,000 but it seemed he had other ideas, 238 00:14:00,000 --> 00:14:02,000 so I ate alone. 239 00:14:03,000 --> 00:14:05,000 Good night. 240 00:14:09,000 --> 00:14:11,000 You didn't bring her plate though. 241 00:14:11,000 --> 00:14:13,000 No, she's going to bring me some dessert. 242 00:14:13,000 --> 00:14:14,000 Yes. 243 00:14:14,000 --> 00:14:15,000 How do you do your work? 244 00:14:15,000 --> 00:14:16,000 Phil's flat for her. 245 00:14:16,000 --> 00:14:18,000 Very pleased to meet you. 246 00:14:20,000 --> 00:14:22,000 Are you in a relationship at the moment? 247 00:14:22,000 --> 00:14:23,000 No, I'm not. 248 00:14:23,000 --> 00:14:25,000 Would you go out with a white woman? 249 00:14:25,000 --> 00:14:27,000 It's never happened in my life. 250 00:14:28,000 --> 00:14:31,000 It would stick to me on principle. 251 00:14:31,000 --> 00:14:33,000 It just has an afterthought. 252 00:14:33,000 --> 00:14:35,000 In theory, no objection. 253 00:14:35,000 --> 00:14:39,000 If I believe that the white race is the devil, 254 00:14:39,000 --> 00:14:42,000 the white man is the devil, 255 00:14:42,000 --> 00:14:45,000 what would make you think I would make 256 00:14:45,000 --> 00:14:49,000 some special place in my heart 257 00:14:49,000 --> 00:14:51,000 for the white woman? 258 00:14:51,000 --> 00:14:54,000 That's another devilish question. 259 00:14:54,000 --> 00:14:56,000 You're a very selfless crazy thinker. 260 00:14:56,000 --> 00:14:58,000 Well, I agree. 261 00:14:58,000 --> 00:15:04,000 But I prefer for you to ask me about a white woman. 262 00:15:04,000 --> 00:15:08,000 It's just really indicative of your nature. 263 00:15:08,000 --> 00:15:11,000 I like women of my culture. 264 00:15:11,000 --> 00:15:15,000 As a black nationalist, a pan-Africanist, 265 00:15:15,000 --> 00:15:19,000 I'm interested in building the black nation. 266 00:15:19,000 --> 00:15:23,000 I understand the Nation of Islam platform 267 00:15:23,000 --> 00:15:25,000 because it includes a provision for the creation 268 00:15:25,000 --> 00:15:27,000 of a separate state within the U.S. 269 00:15:27,000 --> 00:15:29,000 Is that something you believe in too? 270 00:15:29,000 --> 00:15:31,000 I believe in that with all of my heart. 271 00:15:31,000 --> 00:15:33,000 We need some of this good earth 272 00:15:33,000 --> 00:15:35,000 that we can call our own. 273 00:15:35,000 --> 00:15:37,000 America owes us reparations. 274 00:15:39,000 --> 00:15:43,000 So what we're proposing is that it would be these states here. 275 00:15:43,000 --> 00:15:45,000 So you're talking about down here? 276 00:15:45,000 --> 00:15:48,000 Mississippi, Alabama, Georgia, 277 00:15:48,000 --> 00:15:51,000 you have the Carolinas here, north and south, 278 00:15:51,000 --> 00:15:53,000 in that general area. 279 00:15:53,000 --> 00:15:56,000 Doesn't that mean that they'd be giving up the chance 280 00:15:56,000 --> 00:15:58,000 to live in Harlem? 281 00:15:58,000 --> 00:16:03,000 You can't be serious to ask me to give up Africa 282 00:16:03,000 --> 00:16:07,000 for the gilded cage called Harlem, 283 00:16:07,000 --> 00:16:11,000 or any other so-called reservation or ghetto 284 00:16:11,000 --> 00:16:15,000 inside of this strange land, 285 00:16:15,000 --> 00:16:19,000 picking up the filthy and indecent and wicked habits 286 00:16:19,000 --> 00:16:21,000 of these strange people. 287 00:16:21,000 --> 00:16:24,000 No, I don't think so, Louis. 288 00:16:24,000 --> 00:16:28,000 We need a nation of our own, a land of our own. 289 00:16:28,000 --> 00:16:31,000 We must have freedom and independence. 290 00:16:31,000 --> 00:16:34,000 We must have freedom indeed. 291 00:16:39,000 --> 00:16:41,000 So, okay, here we are. 292 00:16:41,000 --> 00:16:43,000 Why are we here? 293 00:16:43,000 --> 00:16:47,000 This is a place here in Harlem that we're very proud of, 294 00:16:47,000 --> 00:16:52,000 and it's the last of the few that's kind of holding the line 295 00:16:52,000 --> 00:16:58,000 as whites begin to sweep up the entire and gobble up 296 00:16:58,000 --> 00:17:01,000 and swallow up the entire Harlem. 297 00:17:01,000 --> 00:17:03,000 I've read a little bit in Nation of Islam, 298 00:17:03,000 --> 00:17:06,000 that says that there's a 6,000-year reign of the white man, 299 00:17:06,000 --> 00:17:09,000 basically, and then at a certain point it comes to an end. 300 00:17:09,000 --> 00:17:12,000 Is that a belief that you, or a view that you subscribe to? 301 00:17:12,000 --> 00:17:13,000 100%. 302 00:17:13,000 --> 00:17:15,000 And that's happening now, maybe. 303 00:17:15,000 --> 00:17:16,000 It is. 304 00:17:16,000 --> 00:17:20,000 We believe that the confusion in the white man's governments of the world, 305 00:17:20,000 --> 00:17:23,000 jockeying for new world order, 306 00:17:23,000 --> 00:17:25,000 and economic battles that are going on, 307 00:17:25,000 --> 00:17:28,000 the dollar, the euro, that's beautiful, 308 00:17:28,000 --> 00:17:33,000 the dollar, the euro, and here with the sex gate scandal, 309 00:17:33,000 --> 00:17:39,000 the white man's world we feel is coming to a close. 310 00:17:39,000 --> 00:17:42,000 That would look great on the lady. 311 00:17:42,000 --> 00:17:43,000 The name was Valerie. 312 00:17:43,000 --> 00:17:44,000 Wasn't it? 313 00:17:44,000 --> 00:17:46,000 This is a female piece, isn't it, Brunner? 314 00:17:46,000 --> 00:17:50,000 Yeah, this would look beautiful on her. 315 00:17:50,000 --> 00:17:55,000 And a complimentary male piece that would go along with this. 316 00:17:55,000 --> 00:17:57,000 This is the Kooji line. 317 00:17:57,000 --> 00:17:58,000 Her name wasn't Valerie. 318 00:17:58,000 --> 00:18:00,000 No, her name was Phyllis. 319 00:18:00,000 --> 00:18:01,000 Phyllis. 320 00:18:01,000 --> 00:18:02,000 Phyllis. 321 00:18:02,000 --> 00:18:03,000 Phyllis. 322 00:18:03,000 --> 00:18:05,000 The other lady's name was Valerie. 323 00:18:05,000 --> 00:18:09,000 You remember that black woman caught your eye, didn't you? 324 00:18:09,000 --> 00:18:11,000 No, no, well, not in a bad sense. 325 00:18:11,000 --> 00:18:13,000 She didn't catch your eye. 326 00:18:13,000 --> 00:18:16,000 She didn't catch mine? 327 00:18:16,000 --> 00:18:17,000 She was distracting you. 328 00:18:17,000 --> 00:18:19,000 Your eyes were going like... 329 00:18:19,000 --> 00:18:21,000 Is that what was happening? 330 00:18:21,000 --> 00:18:22,000 Yeah. 331 00:18:22,000 --> 00:18:24,000 It's good that it was a black woman. 332 00:18:24,000 --> 00:18:27,000 My eyes wouldn't go like that if it had been a white woman. 333 00:18:27,000 --> 00:18:29,000 Yeah, well, we haven't put that to the test yet. 334 00:18:29,000 --> 00:18:31,000 Well, you know what, you can't do it with... 335 00:18:31,000 --> 00:18:34,000 you can't do it with Leanne, 336 00:18:34,000 --> 00:18:36,000 and you can't do it with... 337 00:18:36,000 --> 00:18:37,000 Kate. 338 00:18:37,000 --> 00:18:38,000 Kate. 339 00:18:38,000 --> 00:18:39,000 I don't really get it from Leanne and Kate. 340 00:18:39,000 --> 00:18:44,000 You can't do it with Miss England, Miss London, 341 00:18:44,000 --> 00:18:46,000 or whatever, you can't do it with any of them. 342 00:18:46,000 --> 00:18:48,000 I wouldn't give them a second look. 343 00:18:48,000 --> 00:18:50,000 Yeah. 344 00:18:50,000 --> 00:18:53,000 Fair enough. 345 00:18:53,000 --> 00:18:55,000 This is horse skin. 346 00:18:55,000 --> 00:18:56,000 Wow. 347 00:18:56,000 --> 00:18:58,000 That's the baby. 348 00:18:58,000 --> 00:18:59,000 A baby horse? 349 00:18:59,000 --> 00:19:00,000 Yes. 350 00:19:00,000 --> 00:19:02,000 No, it's not going to go down well in Britain. 351 00:19:02,000 --> 00:19:03,000 Oh, really? 352 00:19:03,000 --> 00:19:04,000 They love horses. 353 00:19:04,000 --> 00:19:06,000 You shouldn't buy them. 354 00:19:06,000 --> 00:19:08,000 You love horses more than you do black people. 355 00:19:08,000 --> 00:19:09,000 In Britain? 356 00:19:09,000 --> 00:19:10,000 Yes. 357 00:19:10,000 --> 00:19:22,000 It goes down quite well in Britain that you colonize all of certain sections of Africa 358 00:19:22,000 --> 00:19:24,000 and built the wealth of England, 359 00:19:24,000 --> 00:19:28,000 but you sound so sympathetic over the little pony. 360 00:19:28,000 --> 00:19:31,000 I wasn't trying to make a race issue out of it. 361 00:19:31,000 --> 00:19:33,000 Oh, you're giving me such a hard time. 362 00:19:33,000 --> 00:19:36,000 Now, how would I give white folks an easy time? 363 00:19:37,000 --> 00:19:38,000 I don't know. 364 00:19:38,000 --> 00:19:40,000 How about a belt? 365 00:19:40,000 --> 00:19:41,000 Okay. 366 00:19:41,000 --> 00:19:42,000 Let's see what kind of... 367 00:19:42,000 --> 00:19:43,000 Are these horses too? 368 00:19:43,000 --> 00:19:45,000 Have you ever seen that before, horse trousers? 369 00:19:45,000 --> 00:19:47,000 No, I haven't. 370 00:19:47,000 --> 00:19:49,000 We have the jacket to go with it. 371 00:19:49,000 --> 00:19:50,000 Would you wear these? 372 00:19:50,000 --> 00:19:52,000 No, sir, I wouldn't wear that. 373 00:19:52,000 --> 00:19:53,000 Why? 374 00:19:53,000 --> 00:19:56,000 I'd rather have some pants made out of white man skin. 375 00:19:56,000 --> 00:20:00,000 Ha ha ha ha ha. 376 00:20:00,000 --> 00:20:03,000 The white man probably killed a little pony 377 00:20:03,000 --> 00:20:07,000 and you're standing here acting like you are amazed because you're interviewing me 378 00:20:07,000 --> 00:20:09,000 like I killed a little pony. 379 00:20:09,000 --> 00:20:11,000 I wasn't trying to give you a hard time about the trousers. 380 00:20:11,000 --> 00:20:13,000 But will you admit that white people did it? 381 00:20:13,000 --> 00:20:15,000 I don't know anything about who made them. 382 00:20:15,000 --> 00:20:16,000 You know black people. 383 00:20:16,000 --> 00:20:17,000 It's a good chance that it was. 384 00:20:17,000 --> 00:20:19,000 It comes from Italy. 385 00:20:19,000 --> 00:20:22,000 The Italian white man is the one who kills black people. 386 00:20:22,000 --> 00:20:24,000 Well, don't you get upset about the horses now. 387 00:20:24,000 --> 00:20:27,000 And I'm upset about whatever you do. 388 00:20:27,000 --> 00:20:28,000 Okay. 389 00:20:28,000 --> 00:20:29,000 Good to see you. 390 00:20:29,000 --> 00:20:30,000 You got your little warriors with you. 391 00:20:30,000 --> 00:20:32,000 Yeah, this is a powerful man, y'all. 392 00:20:32,000 --> 00:20:34,000 Yeah, very powerful. 393 00:20:34,000 --> 00:20:35,000 Thank you. 394 00:20:35,000 --> 00:20:36,000 Khaled Muhammad. 395 00:20:36,000 --> 00:20:37,000 Say peace. 396 00:20:37,000 --> 00:20:38,000 Peace. 397 00:20:38,000 --> 00:20:39,000 Peace, brother. 398 00:20:39,000 --> 00:20:41,000 He's going to be a great black man one day when you grow up. 399 00:20:41,000 --> 00:20:43,000 He's sawing your eyes. 400 00:20:43,000 --> 00:20:44,000 Yes, brother. 401 00:20:44,000 --> 00:20:47,000 He's going to be a great, great black man one day when you grow up. 402 00:20:47,000 --> 00:20:51,000 Muhammad, are you a supporter of Dr. Khaled as well? 403 00:20:51,000 --> 00:20:52,000 As what? 404 00:20:52,000 --> 00:20:54,000 As a figure on the scene leadership. 405 00:20:54,000 --> 00:20:55,000 Black power. 406 00:20:55,000 --> 00:20:56,000 He's a Muslim. 407 00:20:56,000 --> 00:20:57,000 He's a Muslim. 408 00:20:57,000 --> 00:21:00,000 Oh, see, you I would consider white. 409 00:21:00,000 --> 00:21:03,000 But do you would you consider Muhammad black or white? 410 00:21:03,000 --> 00:21:08,000 I consider Muhammad as a member of the original family of our people. 411 00:21:08,000 --> 00:21:15,000 And I see Muhammad is looking quite differently from you. 412 00:21:15,000 --> 00:21:17,000 I can tell the difference. 413 00:21:17,000 --> 00:21:21,000 I can feel the different energy and the different spirit. 414 00:21:21,000 --> 00:21:23,000 You're in trouble now. 415 00:21:23,000 --> 00:21:25,000 I'm not kidding. 416 00:21:25,000 --> 00:21:27,000 You tried to revive it all day. 417 00:21:27,000 --> 00:21:30,000 You didn't try to divide it before you left, did you? 418 00:21:30,000 --> 00:21:31,000 No, I do. 419 00:21:31,000 --> 00:21:35,000 I do think that the general point I'm trying to make is I don't think we're that different 420 00:21:35,000 --> 00:21:36,000 under the skin. 421 00:21:36,000 --> 00:21:38,000 And so let's stop a second. 422 00:21:38,000 --> 00:21:39,000 Yeah. 423 00:21:39,000 --> 00:21:44,000 If we deal with biology, genetics, we have to be different under the skin. 424 00:21:44,000 --> 00:21:53,000 Your characteristics would not be recessive according to the law of genetics and mine would not be strong or dumb. 425 00:21:53,000 --> 00:21:55,000 I just ask is Muhammad doesn't look to me. 426 00:21:55,000 --> 00:21:56,000 I don't know. 427 00:21:56,000 --> 00:21:57,000 I don't think he looks like a black man. 428 00:21:57,000 --> 00:21:58,000 But his hair is different. 429 00:21:58,000 --> 00:21:59,000 He's got nappy hair. 430 00:21:59,000 --> 00:22:00,000 Yeah. 431 00:22:00,000 --> 00:22:02,000 He's got strong features. 432 00:22:02,000 --> 00:22:07,000 You have the keen, narrow looking features, the Nordic features. 433 00:22:07,000 --> 00:22:13,000 And you've got that interesting nose and interesting chin. 434 00:22:13,000 --> 00:22:17,000 And let it go at that and you feel like you're lucky. 435 00:22:17,000 --> 00:22:18,000 Interesting cheekbones. 436 00:22:18,000 --> 00:22:20,000 You're just an interesting fellow. 437 00:22:20,000 --> 00:22:21,000 What does that mean? 438 00:22:21,000 --> 00:22:24,000 Muhammad, that's still the strong features. 439 00:22:24,000 --> 00:22:25,000 Very, very strong. 440 00:22:25,000 --> 00:22:27,000 Mine are weak. 441 00:22:27,000 --> 00:22:28,000 Recessive. 442 00:22:28,000 --> 00:22:29,000 No, you start. 443 00:22:29,000 --> 00:22:30,000 Recessive. 444 00:22:30,000 --> 00:22:31,000 Yeah. 445 00:22:31,000 --> 00:22:32,000 Fair enough. 446 00:22:32,000 --> 00:22:33,000 Thank you so much. 447 00:22:33,000 --> 00:22:35,000 Thanks for having me. 448 00:22:35,000 --> 00:22:36,000 Thank you. 449 00:22:36,000 --> 00:22:37,000 Thanks very much. 450 00:22:37,000 --> 00:22:38,000 Thanks. 451 00:22:38,000 --> 00:22:39,000 Thanks. 452 00:22:39,000 --> 00:22:40,000 Thanks. 453 00:22:40,000 --> 00:22:41,000 Thanks. 454 00:22:41,000 --> 00:22:42,000 Thanks. 455 00:22:42,000 --> 00:22:43,000 Thanks. 456 00:22:43,000 --> 00:22:44,000 Thanks. 457 00:22:44,000 --> 00:22:45,000 Thanks. 458 00:22:45,000 --> 00:22:46,000 Thanks. 459 00:22:46,000 --> 00:22:47,000 Thanks. 460 00:22:47,000 --> 00:22:48,000 Thanks. 461 00:22:48,000 --> 00:22:49,000 Thanks. 462 00:22:49,000 --> 00:22:50,000 Thanks. 463 00:22:50,000 --> 00:22:51,000 Thanks. 464 00:22:51,000 --> 00:22:52,000 Thanks for having me. 465 00:22:52,000 --> 00:22:56,000 Thank you. 466 00:22:56,000 --> 00:22:59,000 I'm looking forward to living with you. 467 00:22:59,000 --> 00:23:00,000 Thanks again. 468 00:23:00,000 --> 00:23:01,000 Thanks. 469 00:23:01,000 --> 00:23:03,000 SHEDPAGE 470 00:23:03,000 --> 00:23:04,000 Thanks. 471 00:23:04,000 --> 00:23:05,000 Thanks. 472 00:23:05,000 --> 00:23:06,000 Thanks. 473 00:23:06,000 --> 00:23:07,000 Thanks. 474 00:23:07,000 --> 00:23:08,000 Thanks. 475 00:23:08,000 --> 00:23:09,000 Thank you. 476 00:23:09,000 --> 00:23:10,000 Thanks. 477 00:23:10,000 --> 00:23:11,000 Thanks. 478 00:23:11,000 --> 00:23:12,000 Thanks. 479 00:23:12,000 --> 00:23:13,000 Thanks. 480 00:23:13,000 --> 00:23:14,000 Thanks. 481 00:23:14,000 --> 00:23:15,000 Thanks. 482 00:23:15,000 --> 00:23:16,000 Thank you. 483 00:23:16,000 --> 00:23:17,000 Thanks, man. 484 00:23:17,000 --> 00:23:22,960 of the year by the end of 2000 is talking about judgement day, the judgement of the 485 00:23:22,960 --> 00:23:28,600 so-called white man and all other nations that reap the benefits of slavery of these 486 00:23:28,600 --> 00:23:33,320 people listed on this side. They're telling me that's a hand for the white man to pay 487 00:23:33,320 --> 00:23:38,600 for the crimes of your forefathers. How can the black man expect to rise in America with 488 00:23:38,600 --> 00:23:40,360 the so-called white man ruling over him? 489 00:23:40,360 --> 00:23:41,360 Do you have a question? 490 00:23:41,360 --> 00:23:45,320 Will you be coming to the march on Wednesday on the Amidu Diallo case? 491 00:23:45,320 --> 00:23:50,320 No, we will not be marchers. Amidu Diallo, do not march. 492 00:23:50,320 --> 00:23:53,320 When is the death? 493 00:23:53,320 --> 00:23:57,320 I'd love to find out a bit more. Oh, sorry. Yep, sorry. 494 00:23:57,320 --> 00:24:02,320 I'd love to find out a bit more about your project. 495 00:24:02,320 --> 00:24:06,320 You would have to see the elders of our church and they can convey whatever you need to know. 496 00:24:06,320 --> 00:24:08,320 Where are they located? 497 00:24:08,320 --> 00:24:11,320 1941 Madison Avenue in Hawthorn, 3rd floor. 498 00:24:11,320 --> 00:24:13,320 Isn't that Al Sharpton's building? 499 00:24:13,320 --> 00:24:17,320 He is on the 2nd floor, he doesn't own the building. He's only one of the tenants as well. 500 00:24:17,320 --> 00:24:19,320 How about that? What a coincidence. 501 00:24:19,320 --> 00:24:21,320 But we're not a conjunction with him. 502 00:24:21,320 --> 00:24:22,320 No. 503 00:24:25,320 --> 00:24:28,320 So I headed back up to Harlem to speak with the elders. 504 00:24:28,320 --> 00:24:31,320 The Israelites claim to have branches across the world. 505 00:24:31,320 --> 00:24:34,320 This group of Israelites called themselves... 506 00:24:34,320 --> 00:24:36,320 It's really church of universal practical knowledge. 507 00:24:36,320 --> 00:24:39,320 Yeah. Thanks. 508 00:24:43,320 --> 00:24:45,320 How from the BBC? 509 00:24:45,320 --> 00:24:47,320 Yeah, they'll be escorting you in a moment. 510 00:24:47,320 --> 00:24:49,320 Okay, what's your name? 511 00:24:49,320 --> 00:24:50,320 Louis. 512 00:24:50,320 --> 00:24:51,320 Louis Theroux. 513 00:24:51,320 --> 00:24:52,320 What's your title? 514 00:24:52,320 --> 00:24:53,320 Jonas. 515 00:24:53,320 --> 00:24:54,320 Presenter. 516 00:24:54,320 --> 00:24:55,320 Yeah. 517 00:24:55,320 --> 00:24:57,320 Okay, of course. We have a future representative. 518 00:24:57,320 --> 00:24:58,320 Oh, yeah. 519 00:24:58,320 --> 00:25:02,320 I'll see you ID and your ID. 520 00:25:02,320 --> 00:25:03,320 Yeah. 521 00:25:06,320 --> 00:25:10,320 Is everyone wearing their normal clothing or is this a special occasion? 522 00:25:10,320 --> 00:25:14,320 No, this is the occasion we saw we dressed. You gotta get all that. 523 00:25:14,320 --> 00:25:16,320 Yeah, oh, okay. 524 00:25:18,320 --> 00:25:20,320 This is a little scary, isn't it? 525 00:25:20,320 --> 00:25:22,320 Yeah, it's a powerful painting. 526 00:25:22,320 --> 00:25:23,320 It's a powerful painting. 527 00:25:23,320 --> 00:25:26,320 Yeah, the greatest is coming back on the white horse. 528 00:25:26,320 --> 00:25:28,320 And he's coming back. 529 00:25:28,320 --> 00:25:30,320 He's gonna take down the white man to eat him ice. 530 00:25:30,320 --> 00:25:33,320 That's why your pope is down in New York. 531 00:25:33,320 --> 00:25:35,320 It's gonna happen by the year 2000. 532 00:25:35,320 --> 00:25:36,320 You ready? 533 00:25:36,320 --> 00:25:37,320 That's it, yeah. 534 00:25:41,320 --> 00:25:45,320 Is everything okay? 535 00:25:45,320 --> 00:25:46,320 Yeah. 536 00:25:46,320 --> 00:25:49,320 What are they up to in there? 537 00:25:49,320 --> 00:25:51,320 You'll see when you go inside. 538 00:25:51,320 --> 00:25:52,320 Relax. 539 00:25:52,320 --> 00:25:53,320 Relax. 540 00:26:00,320 --> 00:26:01,320 Did you follow me this way? 541 00:26:01,320 --> 00:26:02,320 Of course. 542 00:26:02,320 --> 00:26:09,320 All right, how you doing? 543 00:26:09,320 --> 00:26:11,320 Good, how you doing? 544 00:26:11,320 --> 00:26:12,320 Good, okay. 545 00:26:12,320 --> 00:26:15,320 My name is Chief High Priest Yashia. 546 00:26:15,320 --> 00:26:19,320 There are four of us that rule the whole family. 547 00:26:19,320 --> 00:26:26,320 And we are aware of the fact that we have been classified in this country as a black 548 00:26:26,320 --> 00:26:28,320 supremacist or hate group. 549 00:26:28,320 --> 00:26:30,320 Let me make something perfectly clear. 550 00:26:30,320 --> 00:26:38,320 We're a so-called religious spiritual group that believes totally, wholeheartedly in the Bible. 551 00:26:38,320 --> 00:26:41,320 I noticed you got a couple of video cameras going. 552 00:26:41,320 --> 00:26:43,320 Are you taping this as well? 553 00:26:43,320 --> 00:26:46,320 Certainly for security reasons and so on and so forth. 554 00:26:46,320 --> 00:26:49,320 But I just want to show you something that's very interesting in this book. 555 00:26:49,320 --> 00:26:57,320 That the original rulers of England and Britain were black, which sounds nuts to you. 556 00:26:57,320 --> 00:26:58,320 May I come up? 557 00:26:58,320 --> 00:27:01,320 Sure, you can come up and have a look for your own two-act. 558 00:27:01,320 --> 00:27:02,320 This is more friendly. 559 00:27:02,320 --> 00:27:03,320 Okay, yeah, we're not going to attack you. 560 00:27:03,320 --> 00:27:04,320 We're not starts. 561 00:27:04,320 --> 00:27:07,320 You see the black court offices here. 562 00:27:07,320 --> 00:27:09,320 You see the prosecutors sitting here. 563 00:27:09,320 --> 00:27:10,320 These are black men. 564 00:27:10,320 --> 00:27:16,320 All of this information came from the British Museum, from Westminster Abbey, from Windsor, 565 00:27:16,320 --> 00:27:18,320 from all of these places in England. 566 00:27:18,320 --> 00:27:20,320 I don't know, that's kind of borderline. 567 00:27:20,320 --> 00:27:22,320 No, wait a minute, there's no borderline. 568 00:27:22,320 --> 00:27:23,320 Borderline, anyone? 569 00:27:23,320 --> 00:27:24,320 No, it's borderline. 570 00:27:24,320 --> 00:27:26,320 That can't make you, give me a break. 571 00:27:26,320 --> 00:27:30,320 Now you on track, you see that these guys are black. 572 00:27:30,320 --> 00:27:31,320 Borderline. 573 00:27:31,320 --> 00:27:32,320 There's no borderline. 574 00:27:32,320 --> 00:27:34,320 This looks like charcoal to me. 575 00:27:34,320 --> 00:27:36,320 That's King George of England. 576 00:27:36,320 --> 00:27:38,320 The light-skinned black man. 577 00:27:38,320 --> 00:27:41,320 You clearly see the vikings as black men. 578 00:27:41,320 --> 00:27:43,320 Do you see that with your glasses? 579 00:27:43,320 --> 00:27:44,320 He's a black man. 580 00:27:44,320 --> 00:27:46,320 You're brow-beating me slightly. 581 00:27:46,320 --> 00:27:48,320 Can you see that there was a black man? 582 00:27:48,320 --> 00:27:50,320 In the picture there, black. 583 00:27:50,320 --> 00:27:56,320 I'm asking you several questions without bringing forth any threats. 584 00:27:56,320 --> 00:28:01,320 Can you see the deeds of blacks? 585 00:28:01,320 --> 00:28:03,320 They are black people. 586 00:28:03,320 --> 00:28:04,320 Give the man a hand. 587 00:28:04,320 --> 00:28:06,320 We gotta give him a little hand clap again. 588 00:28:06,320 --> 00:28:07,320 I like it. 589 00:28:07,320 --> 00:28:08,320 You finally came out. 590 00:28:08,320 --> 00:28:12,320 What you do historically is you cover up the facts. 591 00:28:12,320 --> 00:28:14,320 You come in and you whitewash everything. 592 00:28:14,320 --> 00:28:15,320 Jesus is a black man. 593 00:28:15,320 --> 00:28:17,320 They know that in his hometown. 594 00:28:17,320 --> 00:28:20,320 But when you come to America and you go to England or wherever, 595 00:28:20,320 --> 00:28:22,320 he's painted as a white man. 596 00:28:22,320 --> 00:28:24,320 Now you want to talk about hatred and racism. 597 00:28:24,320 --> 00:28:28,320 That's blatant hatred and racism. 598 00:28:28,320 --> 00:28:30,320 Shall I go back to my seat? 599 00:28:30,320 --> 00:28:31,320 Certainly. 600 00:28:31,320 --> 00:28:32,320 Yeah. 601 00:28:32,320 --> 00:28:34,320 And if any of you have to go to the bathroom or want to drink a water, 602 00:28:34,320 --> 00:28:36,320 we have those facilities for you. 603 00:28:36,320 --> 00:28:38,320 Come on in, I peace yous up. 604 00:28:38,320 --> 00:28:39,320 Thanks for meeting you. 605 00:28:39,320 --> 00:28:40,320 You've flown in. 606 00:28:40,320 --> 00:28:43,320 And it's all over the world constantly. 607 00:28:43,320 --> 00:28:47,320 And here's a salute to our chief priest, 608 00:28:47,320 --> 00:28:49,320 because I'm Mike Ruff. 609 00:28:49,320 --> 00:28:52,320 You have by Sham Yab Shabra Thumb. 610 00:28:52,320 --> 00:28:54,320 You have by Sham Yab Shabra Thumb. 611 00:28:54,320 --> 00:28:55,320 Yes. 612 00:28:55,320 --> 00:28:59,320 Can I give you a list of historical figures, prominent figures from history, 613 00:28:59,320 --> 00:29:02,320 and you'll tell me whether or not they were white or black? 614 00:29:02,320 --> 00:29:03,320 Shoot, give me a better shot. 615 00:29:03,320 --> 00:29:04,320 Where did we start? 616 00:29:04,320 --> 00:29:06,320 Okay, Bate Hoven. 617 00:29:06,320 --> 00:29:07,320 Black. 618 00:29:07,320 --> 00:29:08,320 Mozart. 619 00:29:08,320 --> 00:29:09,320 Black. 620 00:29:09,320 --> 00:29:10,320 Cleopatra. 621 00:29:10,320 --> 00:29:13,320 She looked black, but she was white. 622 00:29:13,320 --> 00:29:15,320 She looked black, but she was white. 623 00:29:15,320 --> 00:29:17,320 Listen, you're not answering my question. 624 00:29:17,320 --> 00:29:22,320 It's not the color of your skin that you're being judged by, but the seed of your father. 625 00:29:22,320 --> 00:29:24,320 William Shakespeare. 626 00:29:24,320 --> 00:29:28,320 Undoubtedly black, without question. 627 00:29:28,320 --> 00:29:29,320 Abraham Lincoln. 628 00:29:29,320 --> 00:29:31,320 That's still in debate. 629 00:29:31,320 --> 00:29:32,320 What do you mean? 630 00:29:32,320 --> 00:29:33,320 You don't know if he's black or white? 631 00:29:33,320 --> 00:29:35,320 We're not saying that he was black. 632 00:29:35,320 --> 00:29:36,320 It's a possibility. 633 00:29:36,320 --> 00:29:38,320 Christopher Columbus. 634 00:29:38,320 --> 00:29:40,320 He was white. 635 00:29:40,320 --> 00:29:42,320 Henry VIII. 636 00:29:42,320 --> 00:29:43,320 Black. 637 00:29:43,320 --> 00:29:46,320 There's people that you swear are white today that are black. 638 00:29:46,320 --> 00:29:50,320 For example, a famous singer looks like a white man. 639 00:29:50,320 --> 00:29:51,320 No, not that. 640 00:29:51,320 --> 00:29:52,320 Dancers like a black man. 641 00:29:52,320 --> 00:29:56,320 Sings like a black man, but he looks like a white man, but he's a black man. 642 00:29:56,320 --> 00:29:57,320 Who? 643 00:29:57,320 --> 00:29:58,320 Tom Jones. 644 00:29:58,320 --> 00:29:59,320 Tom Jones. 645 00:29:59,320 --> 00:30:01,320 That's right. 646 00:30:01,320 --> 00:30:05,320 Trace your family lineage on your father's side. 647 00:30:05,320 --> 00:30:10,320 If you happen to be one of us, you're welcome here. 648 00:30:10,320 --> 00:30:15,320 If you're not, we'll see you in captivity. 649 00:30:15,320 --> 00:30:16,320 Shalom. 650 00:30:16,320 --> 00:30:17,320 Shalom. 651 00:30:17,320 --> 00:30:18,320 Shalom. 652 00:30:18,320 --> 00:30:20,320 I'm glad I see you in England sometime. 653 00:30:20,320 --> 00:30:28,320 Because so much of what you said is sort of new to me, what I really like to do is get a sense of who you are and where you've come from and who you are in your sort of personal lives. 654 00:30:28,320 --> 00:30:29,320 That's just well. 655 00:30:29,320 --> 00:30:30,320 I can tell you right now. 656 00:30:30,320 --> 00:30:31,320 Right now. 657 00:30:31,320 --> 00:30:32,320 What was? 658 00:30:32,320 --> 00:30:34,320 This interview is not based on nothing personal. 659 00:30:34,320 --> 00:30:39,320 We have no opinion as far as you're digging into our personal life, our personal background. 660 00:30:39,320 --> 00:30:41,320 We're not here for that. 661 00:30:41,320 --> 00:30:48,320 If you try to get any other type of information out of us on a personal database that you will not receive. 662 00:30:48,320 --> 00:30:49,320 Thank you so much. 663 00:30:49,320 --> 00:30:50,320 You don't say Hamas. 664 00:30:50,320 --> 00:30:51,320 Shalom. 665 00:30:51,320 --> 00:30:52,320 Okay, yeah, of course. 666 00:30:52,320 --> 00:30:53,320 Shalom. 667 00:30:53,320 --> 00:30:54,320 Thank you very much. 668 00:30:54,320 --> 00:30:55,320 Shalom. 669 00:30:55,320 --> 00:30:56,320 Yeah, take it easy. 670 00:30:56,320 --> 00:30:57,320 Thank you. 671 00:30:57,320 --> 00:31:03,320 As I reached the end of the line with the black Israelites, outrage about Amadou Diallo was growing. 672 00:31:03,320 --> 00:31:13,320 The four officers who shot at him 41 times were still on duty, and the mayor had done nothing to convince the black community that he was concerned. 673 00:31:13,320 --> 00:31:20,320 But Amadou Diallo's funeral, staging the most fiery protest, was Dr. Khalid Mohammed. 674 00:31:20,320 --> 00:31:30,320 This is the time for an eye, for an eye, and a tooth for a tooth, a limb for a limb, and goddamn it, a life for life. 675 00:31:30,320 --> 00:31:38,320 They raised more questions which I wanted to put to Dr. Khalid. 676 00:31:38,320 --> 00:31:41,320 But I wasn't the only one trying to get his attention. 677 00:31:41,320 --> 00:31:42,320 He's asking you. 678 00:31:42,320 --> 00:31:43,320 I have him on my wall. 679 00:31:43,320 --> 00:31:46,320 As soon as you walk into my living room, that's the first place I see him. 680 00:31:46,320 --> 00:31:47,320 I love you. 681 00:31:47,320 --> 00:31:48,320 I love that man. 682 00:31:48,320 --> 00:31:49,320 I love that man. 683 00:31:49,320 --> 00:31:51,320 There's nothing else you can do. 684 00:32:01,320 --> 00:32:04,320 I mean, what constructively you actually proposing that people should do? 685 00:32:04,320 --> 00:32:05,320 Black. 686 00:32:05,320 --> 00:32:06,320 Dr. Khalid. 687 00:32:06,320 --> 00:32:07,320 I'm sorry? 688 00:32:07,320 --> 00:32:10,320 What constructively you're proposing that people can actually do? 689 00:32:10,320 --> 00:32:12,320 You know, physically, are they getting angry? 690 00:32:12,320 --> 00:32:20,320 I'm implying by that that it is not constructive to be angry after 400 years of slavery, suffering, and death. 691 00:32:20,320 --> 00:32:27,320 Are you saying, arrogantly, as a white man, that we should not be angry? 692 00:32:27,320 --> 00:32:28,320 You know. 693 00:32:28,320 --> 00:32:32,320 He suggested we head up to the Bronx site where Amadou Diallo was shot. 694 00:32:34,320 --> 00:32:41,320 I just wondered what you and the new Black Panther Party are doing in terms of bringing attention to the case of Amadou Diallo. 695 00:32:41,320 --> 00:32:47,320 Much of what I have been doing around that situation cannot be discussed on camera. 696 00:32:47,320 --> 00:32:48,320 Why? 697 00:32:48,320 --> 00:33:01,320 Because no wise soldier, nor general, nor freedom fighter, revolutionary, nor warrior, discusses that kind of sensitive subject on camera 698 00:33:01,320 --> 00:33:12,320 are with a member of that people who have worked so hard to put us in this condition and position and keep us in this position and condition. 699 00:33:12,320 --> 00:33:15,320 It sounds like you're talking about covert military operations. 700 00:33:15,320 --> 00:33:17,320 It sounds like I'm not talking about anything. 701 00:33:17,320 --> 00:33:19,320 Let's pull over right here and let me run in and get my coat. 702 00:33:19,320 --> 00:33:20,320 Yeah. 703 00:33:20,320 --> 00:33:21,320 Careful. 704 00:33:22,320 --> 00:33:29,320 So the new Black Panther Party is not seeking to work within the status quo. 705 00:33:29,320 --> 00:33:33,320 It's basically seeking to topple the status quo. 706 00:33:33,320 --> 00:33:40,320 The toppling of the status quo, as you call it, must take place. 707 00:33:40,320 --> 00:33:41,320 Yeah. 708 00:33:41,320 --> 00:33:46,320 White America must meet its demise if the black world is to rise. 709 00:33:46,320 --> 00:33:48,320 The two cannot coexist. 710 00:33:49,320 --> 00:33:51,320 Are we nearly there? 711 00:33:51,320 --> 00:33:52,320 Do you know? 712 00:33:52,320 --> 00:33:53,320 Mm-hmm. 713 00:33:54,320 --> 00:33:56,320 We're here. 714 00:34:00,320 --> 00:34:05,320 You know, they found a 42nd bullet hole. 715 00:34:05,320 --> 00:34:16,320 I believe when caskets roll in the black community here, that they must also roll in the white community. 716 00:34:17,320 --> 00:34:22,320 I believe that self-defense is the key here. 717 00:34:22,320 --> 00:34:27,320 You're saying that basically the answer to the death of Amiduti Aulo is more killing. 718 00:34:27,320 --> 00:34:35,320 I'm saying that the black community must, with our God first, arm ourselves to protect ourselves. 719 00:34:35,320 --> 00:34:38,320 This is no time to plead for justice. 720 00:34:38,320 --> 00:34:41,320 This is a time for rebellion and insurrection. 721 00:34:41,320 --> 00:34:44,320 It sounds like what you're basically advocating is race war. 722 00:34:44,320 --> 00:34:51,320 I'm not the advocate of those who shot and killed brother Amiduti Aulo or the advocate of them. 723 00:34:51,320 --> 00:34:55,320 Race war is going to be a horrendous thing. 724 00:34:55,320 --> 00:35:02,320 In your study of history, did your people, your white forefathers think it would be a horrendous thing when they came to get us from Africa? 725 00:35:02,320 --> 00:35:03,320 Yes. 726 00:35:03,320 --> 00:35:04,320 In the holes of ships and chains? 727 00:35:04,320 --> 00:35:06,320 That was a horrendous thing. 728 00:35:06,320 --> 00:35:10,320 You're saying that more racial violence is the solution to past racial violence? 729 00:35:10,320 --> 00:35:13,320 I'm saying that we have to speak the language of the white man. 730 00:35:13,320 --> 00:35:16,320 That the white man only understands violence. 731 00:35:16,320 --> 00:35:20,320 And we have to talk in a way that he understands. 732 00:35:20,320 --> 00:35:22,320 We've tried marching. 733 00:35:22,320 --> 00:35:24,320 We've tried sitting in. 734 00:35:24,320 --> 00:35:26,320 We've tried praying in. 735 00:35:26,320 --> 00:35:28,320 We've tried boycotts. 736 00:35:28,320 --> 00:35:30,320 We've tried every peaceful way. 737 00:35:30,320 --> 00:35:32,320 We've faced t- 738 00:35:32,320 --> 00:35:34,320 Just trying to eat at a lunch counter. 739 00:35:34,320 --> 00:35:36,320 Just trying to go to school. 740 00:35:36,320 --> 00:35:42,320 If there were a peaceful solution, then why in the hell didn't the four crackers, the four devils who came up to this address, 741 00:35:42,320 --> 00:35:52,320 one black man unarmed, four crackers armed to the teeth, emptying clips with 16 shots in each clip. 742 00:35:52,320 --> 00:35:54,320 Where was the peaceful solution then? 743 00:35:54,320 --> 00:35:56,320 Why didn't they say halt? 744 00:35:56,320 --> 00:35:58,320 Wait there. 745 00:35:58,320 --> 00:36:04,320 Why didn't they put their guns on them and hide behind their police car? 746 00:36:04,320 --> 00:36:08,320 Why didn't they hide behind, let me show you how easy it is. 747 00:36:08,320 --> 00:36:16,320 Why didn't they hide behind their police cars and protect themselves from behind their police cars? 748 00:36:16,320 --> 00:36:18,320 Why didn't they do that? 749 00:36:18,320 --> 00:36:22,320 Why did they just stand and shoot and keep shooting? 750 00:36:22,320 --> 00:36:24,320 They couldn't have a conversation about this. 751 00:36:24,320 --> 00:36:30,320 I'm not here to talk to you about this the way you want me to talk about it. 752 00:36:30,320 --> 00:36:34,320 You don't want that kind of response from me, don't ask me. 753 00:36:34,320 --> 00:36:36,320 Do you realize where we're standing? 754 00:36:36,320 --> 00:36:38,320 Do you realize where we are? 755 00:36:38,320 --> 00:36:44,320 We're standing where my brother was shot down in cold blood. 756 00:36:44,320 --> 00:36:48,320 But I've met people, black people who are arguing for a non-violent solution. 757 00:36:48,320 --> 00:36:54,320 Well they're brainwashed black people who weren't accepted by whites and they really want this thing to work. 758 00:36:54,320 --> 00:37:01,320 The foolish among my people keep believing in the American dream which is nothing but an American nightmare. 759 00:37:01,320 --> 00:37:11,320 Black people have tried to get along with white people and many of us are finished with that. 760 00:37:11,320 --> 00:37:18,320 I'd failed to talk Dr. Khaled into a peaceful solution but I still hope to appeal to him on a personal level. 761 00:37:18,320 --> 00:37:22,320 Am I totally like off base to say that I feel like I'm at your company 762 00:37:22,320 --> 00:37:26,320 and that I don't know if it's presumptuous maybe of me to say maybe you enjoy mine 763 00:37:26,320 --> 00:37:29,320 but the idea of a future in which our race is entirely separated 764 00:37:29,320 --> 00:37:34,320 just on that tiny trivial basis alone seems slightly tragic. 765 00:37:34,320 --> 00:37:38,320 It's just that my focus right now is the freedom and independence of my people. 766 00:37:38,320 --> 00:37:43,320 So I don't think about white friends and I certainly don't think about white girlfriends. 767 00:37:43,320 --> 00:37:46,320 Well thanks so much for your time. 768 00:37:46,320 --> 00:37:53,320 And you know for all our sakes I sincerely hope that what you believe doesn't really come to pass 769 00:37:53,320 --> 00:37:56,320 and that we can actually effectuate a better future for everyone. 770 00:37:56,320 --> 00:38:04,320 And I personally hope that my people get this message as fast as they can 771 00:38:04,320 --> 00:38:13,320 so that we can move towards freedom and independence and be extricated and removed from white rule and domination. 772 00:38:16,320 --> 00:38:18,320 See you later. 773 00:38:19,320 --> 00:38:26,320 As much as I disagreed with what he stood for, Dr. Khaled's anger made me ashamed of my own complacency. 774 00:38:26,320 --> 00:38:32,320 More than ever I felt I should do something even if it was just to appease my own conscience. 775 00:38:32,320 --> 00:38:35,320 At least there was Al Sharpton's march on Wall Street 776 00:38:35,320 --> 00:38:41,320 so the next day I called round on the Rev supporter Ed Barnes to see how preparations were going. 777 00:38:41,320 --> 00:38:44,320 Oh no way! How you doing? Come on in. 778 00:38:44,320 --> 00:38:47,320 How you doing? I'm fine. Good to see you. Same here. 779 00:38:47,320 --> 00:38:50,320 How's it hanging? I'm hanging in there. 780 00:38:50,320 --> 00:38:55,320 So what have you been up to? They had me on Osama checking out Wall Street today 781 00:38:55,320 --> 00:39:00,320 and we were down for quite some time. Oh for the march? Yeah. 782 00:39:00,320 --> 00:39:02,320 Come on let's go downstairs. 783 00:39:02,320 --> 00:39:06,320 I'm going to take you to the basement first because you know this way we can show you the basement in though. 784 00:39:06,320 --> 00:39:10,320 See what you think. I mean it's not much but it's all I got. 785 00:39:10,320 --> 00:39:14,320 Yeah it looks great. Where are we? Queens? This is Queens. That's right. 786 00:39:17,320 --> 00:39:25,320 This is my bar. This is my recreation room. This is the band's music room. You might want to check out my music room. 787 00:39:25,320 --> 00:39:30,320 Oh yeah I want to see your music room. And um, have you got a lot of vinyl in here? 788 00:39:30,320 --> 00:39:34,320 I know. I know. I got stuff that's older than you are. 789 00:39:34,320 --> 00:39:36,320 What do you like to drink? 790 00:39:36,320 --> 00:39:40,320 Do I get a gin and tonic? Yes sure why not. 791 00:39:40,320 --> 00:39:45,320 Well you're not too busy. Come out sometime and I'll put some mad sounds on for you. 792 00:39:45,320 --> 00:39:48,320 Really let you see what's going on out here. 793 00:39:48,320 --> 00:39:52,320 I got a lot of this stuff too. Shawnee, Anita Baker. I have some of that. 794 00:39:52,320 --> 00:39:55,320 You've even got the Buster Rhyme CD. 795 00:39:55,320 --> 00:39:59,320 Oh I don't know. I bought that thing. I'm sorry I bought that. That's too rough for me. 796 00:39:59,320 --> 00:40:02,320 Is it? Yes. I played that thing. 797 00:40:02,320 --> 00:40:09,320 That's pretty hardcore. Oh man I had no idea. Is that too strong for you? Check it out. 798 00:40:09,320 --> 00:40:13,320 Is it too strong? Oh that's beautiful. Oh good okay. 799 00:40:13,320 --> 00:40:16,320 Is it strong? Yeah. That's what I mean. 800 00:40:16,320 --> 00:40:22,320 Okay good. So I've had kind of a rough couple of days. Well I wouldn't say rough but it's slightly stressful. 801 00:40:22,320 --> 00:40:25,320 But you know no big deal. 802 00:40:25,320 --> 00:40:30,320 So who else have you been able to interview since you've been here? How long have you been here? 803 00:40:30,320 --> 00:40:39,320 Oh just a few days. We talked to the Nation of Islam guys and Khaled Muhammad. 804 00:40:39,320 --> 00:40:45,320 Church of Universal Practical Knowledge. These are the guys who go preaching in Times Square places like that. 805 00:40:45,320 --> 00:40:47,320 Oh this? Yeah I know what you're talking about. 806 00:40:47,320 --> 00:40:51,320 I was trying to build some racial bridges to see if I could communicate a little bit. 807 00:40:51,320 --> 00:40:55,320 And we had some mixed success. 808 00:40:55,320 --> 00:41:00,320 You're going to get a mix wherever you go in most cases. You've got people that's going to say something. 809 00:41:00,320 --> 00:41:03,320 Whether they know what it's all about or not they're going to say these things. 810 00:41:03,320 --> 00:41:08,320 Because they're right. Especially with all these things going on with this last shooting thing. 811 00:41:08,320 --> 00:41:13,320 Amadou Diallo? Yeah. When people think they're telling us racism is over it. 812 00:41:13,320 --> 00:41:16,320 But that's not so. Is he more blatant than it was before? 813 00:41:16,320 --> 00:41:20,320 It's just a little more sophisticated and it's a little more subtle. 814 00:41:20,320 --> 00:41:24,320 But it's still there and it still hurts and it's still done a lot of damage. 815 00:41:24,320 --> 00:41:27,320 How are you feeling about tomorrow? It's a big day to mark. 816 00:41:27,320 --> 00:41:32,320 Well tomorrow is a big day and I don't have a problem of being locked up. 817 00:41:32,320 --> 00:41:36,320 I haven't been locked up in a long long time being an old man there. 818 00:41:36,320 --> 00:41:39,320 I don't know but I'll find out tomorrow for sure. 819 00:41:39,320 --> 00:41:43,320 Have you been locked up before? Sure. Sure. 820 00:41:43,320 --> 00:41:47,320 Watch your head and come on. We can... 821 00:41:47,320 --> 00:41:50,320 Thanks for the drink. I'm feeling a bit tipsy. 822 00:41:50,320 --> 00:41:53,320 That was a late drink. I don't know what you're talking about. 823 00:41:53,320 --> 00:41:56,320 Reverend Sharpton told me to bring a toothbrush. 824 00:41:56,320 --> 00:42:00,320 That's what he told you. You're not going to jail. You know, you don't have to get into that thing. 825 00:42:00,320 --> 00:42:02,320 I hope not. 826 00:42:05,320 --> 00:42:08,320 The following day I made my way to the rally on Wall Street. 827 00:42:08,320 --> 00:42:11,320 I was still uncertain how much I would get involved. 828 00:42:11,320 --> 00:42:15,320 In any case, I couldn't see Ed in the crowd. 829 00:42:15,320 --> 00:42:19,320 No justice! No justice! 830 00:42:19,320 --> 00:42:23,320 What do we want? What do we want? 831 00:42:23,320 --> 00:42:26,320 Alright. 832 00:42:26,320 --> 00:42:33,320 We're not going to stop until those four policemen face justice. 833 00:42:33,320 --> 00:42:38,320 So I'm announcing today we're going to escalate our activism. 834 00:42:38,320 --> 00:42:42,320 Reverend Sharpton was on the move and I headed after him. 835 00:42:42,320 --> 00:42:44,320 I wanted to stick with the action. 836 00:42:44,320 --> 00:42:46,320 That's out. 837 00:42:49,320 --> 00:42:52,320 Let me go. 838 00:42:52,320 --> 00:42:57,320 I'm trying. I'm trying. 839 00:42:57,320 --> 00:43:01,320 Give him some room, guys. Give him some room. 840 00:43:01,320 --> 00:43:04,320 Back it up. Back it up. 841 00:43:04,320 --> 00:43:07,320 Give him some room so no one gets... 842 00:43:07,320 --> 00:43:10,320 Back it up. Back it up. 843 00:43:10,320 --> 00:43:13,320 Back it up. Back it up. 844 00:43:13,320 --> 00:43:16,320 Back it up. Back it up. 845 00:43:16,320 --> 00:43:19,320 Back it up. Back it up. 846 00:43:19,320 --> 00:43:21,320 Give him some room. 847 00:43:21,320 --> 00:43:29,320 I think they've just cuffed him and they're about to take him away, I guess. 848 00:43:29,320 --> 00:43:32,320 Oh my God, the right man. 849 00:43:32,320 --> 00:43:58,320 Reverend Sharpton was the talk of the airwaves, but it was time for me to say goodbye. 850 00:43:58,320 --> 00:44:01,320 You're checking out on me. You didn't go to jail with me. 851 00:44:01,320 --> 00:44:09,320 But the funniest thing, when I climbed on that ladder to speak, I looked down and saw thousands of people. 852 00:44:09,320 --> 00:44:13,320 I looked about 400 people down and I saw your face. 853 00:44:13,320 --> 00:44:14,320 You did not. 854 00:44:14,320 --> 00:44:17,320 And I said, you're supposed to be over here. 855 00:44:17,320 --> 00:44:19,320 That's not true, is it? 856 00:44:19,320 --> 00:44:21,320 I saw you right down there. 857 00:44:21,320 --> 00:44:23,320 Which side was I on the left? 858 00:44:23,320 --> 00:44:25,320 You were on my left, the right of the crowd. 859 00:44:25,320 --> 00:44:26,320 That's true. 860 00:44:26,320 --> 00:44:27,320 I saw you. 861 00:44:27,320 --> 00:44:28,320 You really did? 862 00:44:28,320 --> 00:44:30,320 I said, you're supposed to be over here. 863 00:44:30,320 --> 00:44:31,320 Meaning over what? 864 00:44:31,320 --> 00:44:32,320 We're near you. 865 00:44:32,320 --> 00:44:33,320 With me, getting ready to go to jail. 866 00:44:33,320 --> 00:44:34,320 That's funny. 867 00:44:34,320 --> 00:44:36,320 You didn't really want me to go to jail, did you? 868 00:44:36,320 --> 00:44:37,320 I was looking for you. 869 00:44:37,320 --> 00:44:38,320 You weren't, seriously. 870 00:44:38,320 --> 00:44:41,320 I looked all around the police van, I didn't see you. 871 00:44:41,320 --> 00:44:42,320 That's funny. 872 00:44:42,320 --> 00:44:46,320 No, but seriously, because it actually did cross my mind, seriously. 873 00:44:46,320 --> 00:44:49,320 But when I saw you there, I saw how serious you were. 874 00:44:49,320 --> 00:44:52,320 I thought I might trivialize it by jumping in there. 875 00:44:52,320 --> 00:44:54,320 But I thought you were serious about my phone. 876 00:44:54,320 --> 00:45:00,320 I was, I was, but at the same time it could be construed as familiar with the issue for a matter of days. 877 00:45:00,320 --> 00:45:05,320 It could be construed as of jumping in where it wasn't appropriate. 878 00:45:05,320 --> 00:45:06,320 Do you know what I mean? 879 00:45:06,320 --> 00:45:07,320 Yeah, well. 880 00:45:07,320 --> 00:45:11,320 Do you really feel that down that I didn't jump into the frame there? 881 00:45:11,320 --> 00:45:13,320 No, I think you let yourself down. 882 00:45:13,320 --> 00:45:14,320 Seriously? 883 00:45:14,320 --> 00:45:15,320 Seriously? 884 00:45:15,320 --> 00:45:19,320 You just a golden opportunity to know what it is to fight for freedom. 885 00:45:19,320 --> 00:45:21,320 Where are you going? 886 00:45:21,320 --> 00:45:23,320 I'm checking out everybody's doing. 887 00:45:23,320 --> 00:45:24,320 Everybody's all right? 888 00:45:24,320 --> 00:45:25,320 Yeah. 889 00:45:25,320 --> 00:45:26,320 Everybody's all right? 890 00:45:26,320 --> 00:45:27,320 Yeah, I don't know. 891 00:45:27,320 --> 00:45:29,320 It would have been like, I mean, what if I'd been there by the side of Reverend... 892 00:45:29,320 --> 00:45:31,320 Let's go down here and see what Joe's doing. 893 00:45:31,320 --> 00:45:32,320 Oh, let's go down and see what Joe's doing. 894 00:45:32,320 --> 00:45:36,320 Martin Luther King, you know, if I'd been by his side when he was doing, I'd have a dream, that speech. 895 00:45:36,320 --> 00:45:38,320 That would have seen a little odd, wouldn't it? 896 00:45:38,320 --> 00:45:39,320 I'd have seen a little odd. 897 00:45:39,320 --> 00:45:40,320 I'd have seen a little odd. 898 00:45:40,320 --> 00:45:41,320 I'd have seen a little odd. 899 00:45:41,320 --> 00:45:42,320 I'd have seen a little odd. 900 00:45:42,320 --> 00:45:43,320 I'd have seen a little odd. 901 00:45:43,320 --> 00:45:45,320 I'd have seen a little odd, wouldn't it? 902 00:45:45,320 --> 00:45:47,320 Might have helped his dream. 903 00:45:47,320 --> 00:45:48,320 Yeah. 904 00:45:48,320 --> 00:45:50,320 Put your hands up, Joe. 905 00:45:50,320 --> 00:45:52,320 You all right? 906 00:45:52,320 --> 00:45:56,320 Trevor Chalkman, do you know anything about the little journey I've been on? 907 00:45:56,320 --> 00:45:58,320 Or what have you found out? 908 00:45:58,320 --> 00:46:00,320 Well, that's a good question. 909 00:46:00,320 --> 00:46:02,320 Those are classics. 910 00:46:02,320 --> 00:46:06,320 First time I went to England, I went with James Brown. 911 00:46:06,320 --> 00:46:08,320 You know, he treated me like a son. 912 00:46:08,320 --> 00:46:10,320 And he was going to do England and I went. 913 00:46:10,320 --> 00:46:12,320 And he did London Birmingham a few places. 914 00:46:12,320 --> 00:46:16,320 When I came back in the 90s, you know, I was controversial there. 915 00:46:16,320 --> 00:46:21,320 But when I went with him in 1980, nobody even knew who I was. 916 00:46:21,320 --> 00:46:24,320 So you would tell me about your soldier and how has it been? 917 00:46:24,320 --> 00:46:25,320 Well, it's been interesting. 918 00:46:25,320 --> 00:46:27,320 It's been, I would say, slightly depressing. 919 00:46:27,320 --> 00:46:29,320 I hate to say it because I've met some wonderful people. 920 00:46:29,320 --> 00:46:36,320 But, well, one of the things I find encouraging about your work is that it is basically nonviolent, you know, 921 00:46:36,320 --> 00:46:38,320 and looking for an integrated future. 922 00:46:38,320 --> 00:46:40,320 Whereas someone like Kelly Mohammed seems to be working towards, 923 00:46:40,320 --> 00:46:42,320 you know, he wants to establish a separate state. 924 00:46:42,320 --> 00:46:46,320 Oh, Kelly Mohammed hasn't hurt anybody? 925 00:46:46,320 --> 00:46:48,320 No, no he hasn't. 926 00:46:48,320 --> 00:46:53,320 No, but I do fear that maybe his, you know, his proposals for arming the masses could lead to people getting hurt. 927 00:46:53,320 --> 00:46:58,320 But why are you fearing what could hurt and not fearing what has hurt? 928 00:46:58,320 --> 00:47:02,320 NYPD, New York City Police Department has hurt people. 929 00:47:02,320 --> 00:47:05,320 Let's not deal with a m*****d pain. 930 00:47:05,320 --> 00:47:09,320 I mean, I don't agree with everyone's strategy, but they're not the problem. 931 00:47:10,320 --> 00:47:12,320 They don't take struggle, but we'll win. 932 00:47:12,320 --> 00:47:14,320 I'm just so sure. 933 00:47:14,320 --> 00:47:15,320 History. 934 00:47:15,320 --> 00:47:18,320 I mean, you gotta remember 30 years ago, we were on the back of the buses here. 935 00:47:18,320 --> 00:47:19,320 Yeah. 936 00:47:19,320 --> 00:47:22,320 Things change if you struggle. 937 00:47:22,320 --> 00:47:24,320 They never change by themselves. 938 00:47:24,320 --> 00:47:27,320 Well, it's good to hear you encouraging me to get involved because this week I felt like, 939 00:47:27,320 --> 00:47:31,320 well, maybe there's not a lot I could do except really, you know, stay in the background. 940 00:47:31,320 --> 00:47:34,320 You not only should get involved, you must get involved. 941 00:47:34,320 --> 00:47:37,320 It's always gonna turn around as everybody gets involved. 942 00:47:37,320 --> 00:47:42,320 And just because some people may not want you to get involved, that should mean you want to do it even more 943 00:47:42,320 --> 00:47:43,320 because it's right. 944 00:47:43,320 --> 00:47:45,320 So the way we're gonna turn the world around. 945 00:47:45,320 --> 00:47:46,320 Take a moment. 946 00:47:46,320 --> 00:47:48,320 I will. 947 00:47:48,320 --> 00:47:49,320 Hey, thanks very much. 948 00:47:49,320 --> 00:47:50,320 All right.